Comments for Take Action for a Better World http://www.freemanwicklund.org Seeking a just and peaceful world for all beings Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:09:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 Comment on Hog Farm Horror by gabe http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/02/19/hog-farm-horror/#comment-155 gabe Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:17:30 +0000 http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/02/19/hog-farm-horror/#comment-155 i agree with the pig guy about how the sow dies we raise pigs and i have seen alot of them get butchered and they r killed humanly. and the whole thinmg about the sow not laying on her pigs she might do that thing with her knees and all that but when those babys are born htey aint very smart she do that and they wont payattenchion and she his so big she thinks she wont lay on them but she will thats y they invented farrowing crates so this wont happen and our sows we put them in an eltric pen were they can run and all that with the boar and about a weeek or 2 befor she is going to give birth we put her in the crate were she is on top of a rubber matt and sawdust and cleaned twice aday and we wean her babys at 4 to 6 weeks old cause if u dont they get very aggressive on there mother and can hurt her same with when we cut there needle teeth when they r a day old hint NEEDLE teeth they r very sharp and will the cut the mother teets and she wont let them eat as much and they wont b as healthy. and same with castrating they feel it when it happens but the minuite u put them down htey all go to playing or eating and by the nxt day they act like nothing ever happend. its the same with circumcism those babys arent on pain killers and so u must thnk that those parents should b put up for child abuse. my grand dad use to have 90 brude sows and at one point he had 600 pigs now they were all in eltric pens and stuff whyle they were pregnant and they had the piglets being raies in the barns and they cleand the barn every day and the barn still smelt atleast soem pple thought it did but i personatly liked it i was raised with it so i take it u have nvr raised pigs and there manure smells just one turd will stink up a barn. and farming in general is hard and so if the farmer has to do htings to make money and raise his animals with out alot of work cause alot of work means alot of workers and workers mean money so if they do things so its easyer on them they r smart but i almost guarenty they are always thinking about the animals to keep them healthy and content. so i would like to c u work on a farm for 6 months and c if u change your mind. i agree with the pig guy about how the sow dies we raise pigs and i have seen alot of them get butchered and they r killed humanly. and the whole thinmg about the sow not laying on her pigs she might do that thing with her knees and all that but when those babys are born htey aint very smart she do that and they wont payattenchion and she his so big she thinks she wont lay on them but she will thats y they invented farrowing crates so this wont happen and our sows we put them in an eltric pen were they can run and all that with the boar and about a weeek or 2 befor she is going to give birth we put her in the crate were she is on top of a rubber matt and sawdust and cleaned twice aday and we wean her babys at 4 to 6 weeks old cause if u dont they get very aggressive on there mother and can hurt her same with when we cut there needle teeth when they r a day old hint NEEDLE teeth they r very sharp and will the cut the mother teets and she wont let them eat as much and they wont b as healthy. and same with castrating they feel it when it happens but the minuite u put them down htey all go to playing or eating and by the nxt day they act like nothing ever happend. its the same with circumcism those babys arent on pain killers and so u must thnk that those parents should b put up for child abuse. my grand dad use to have 90 brude sows and at one point he had 600 pigs now they were all in eltric pens and stuff whyle they were pregnant and they had the piglets being raies in the barns and they cleand the barn every day and the barn still smelt atleast soem pple thought it did but i personatly liked it i was raised with it so i take it u have nvr raised pigs and there manure smells just one turd will stink up a barn. and farming in general is hard and so if the farmer has to do htings to make money and raise his animals with out alot of work cause alot of work means alot of workers and workers mean money so if they do things so its easyer on them they r smart but i almost guarenty they are always thinking about the animals to keep them healthy and content. so i would like to c u work on a farm for 6 months and c if u change your mind.

]]> Comment on A Holiday Poem by Shel Silverstein by depannage informatique http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/11/28/a-holiday-poem-by-shel-silverstein/#comment-154 depannage informatique Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:12:20 +0000 http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/11/28/a-holiday-poem-by-shel-silverstein/#comment-154 the duck is so cute! the duck is so cute!

]]> Comment on Hog Farm Horror by JD http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/02/19/hog-farm-horror/#comment-153 JD Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:53:27 +0000 http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/02/19/hog-farm-horror/#comment-153 Former Pig Guy I agree 100% and as a hog farmer for 5 years and management of such a facility. Former Pig Guy I agree 100% and as a hog farmer for 5 years and management of such a facility.

]]> Comment on Hog Farm Horror by jd http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/02/19/hog-farm-horror/#comment-152 jd Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:28:20 +0000 http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/02/19/hog-farm-horror/#comment-152 Poor plants, they have feelings too. Lets live on love. Poor plants, they have feelings too. Lets live on love.

]]> Comment on Hog Farm Horror by adison http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/02/19/hog-farm-horror/#comment-151 adison Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:21:14 +0000 http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/02/19/hog-farm-horror/#comment-151 so sad :[ so sad :[

]]> Comment on Hog Farm Horror by Anonymous http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/02/19/hog-farm-horror/#comment-150 Anonymous Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:20:22 +0000 http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/02/19/hog-farm-horror/#comment-150 :) :)

]]> Comment on A Holiday Poem by Shel Silverstein by Susan http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/11/28/a-holiday-poem-by-shel-silverstein/#comment-149 Susan Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:07:38 +0000 http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/11/28/a-holiday-poem-by-shel-silverstein/#comment-149 Hi Freeman, Lots of good writings here. Hope your blog is still active. Give me a jingle when you have time. Susan Hi Freeman,
Lots of good writings here. Hope your blog is still active. Give me a jingle when you have time. Susan

]]> Comment on A Holiday Poem by Shel Silverstein by morgan http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/11/28/a-holiday-poem-by-shel-silverstein/#comment-147 morgan Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:22:27 +0000 http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/11/28/a-holiday-poem-by-shel-silverstein/#comment-147 omg, cutest duckling evar! omg, cutest duckling evar!

]]> Comment on Sowing Seeds Workshop in Carlsbad by Tricia Orr http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2007/05/03/sowing-seeds-workshop-in-carlsbad/#comment-146 Tricia Orr Mon, 01 Jun 2009 04:41:25 +0000 http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2007/05/03/sowing-seeds-workshop-in-carlsbad/#comment-146 Thank you for posting so much useful and wonderful info. I'm just starting to learn about Humane Education and trying to figure out ways to weave its message of compassion for all beings into the classes I teach at a community college in NH. The Sowing Seeds Workbook looks like it's going to be especially helpful! Thanks so much! Thank you for posting so much useful and wonderful info. I’m just starting to learn about Humane Education and trying to figure out ways to weave its message of compassion for all beings into the classes I teach at a community college in NH. The Sowing Seeds Workbook looks like it’s going to be especially helpful! Thanks so much!

]]> Comment on Hog Farm Horror by Former Pig Guy http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/02/19/hog-farm-horror/#comment-145 Former Pig Guy Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:02:45 +0000 http://www.freemanwicklund.org/2008/02/19/hog-farm-horror/#comment-145 I would like to respond to a couple of things said above, based on my 7 years experience in the hog industry. Firstly, yes, sow are kept in individual stalls in most large farms, but this is changing. The idea of larger pens for sows both during gestation as well as during and after farrowning is catching on. But change is always slow. As for the statement about sows with crippling disorders, bedsores, and other horrors, yes there are exceptions where these things occur, but the animal is treated and given every opportunity to heal. In fact the sow normally does heal. The people (and we must remember that these are PEOPLE) who work in these barns are not mindless goons. There is consideratin and thought given to how animals are treated, and looked after, and handles. I know personally of a few situations where someone lost their job at a farm at the first sign that they were mistreating the pigs. The beginning of the article is very true : they are very social, each pig with its own personality and character. As for the description of Finishing barns, clearly the author had a bad experience in a poorly kept facility. A properly ventilated barn that is properly lit, and PROPERLY washed CLEAN between batches of pigs is not filthy or barren or dungeon like. Overcrowding should never be a problem. Proper planning and consideration for the animals were always, in my experience, top priority. Lastly, I would like to comment on the sow described that was found outside in the snow. First of all, melted snow around the corpse of a sow is not a sign that she was still alive. Pig have a LOT more body heat that we humans do, and it takes a while for it to disperse after they are dead. It's hard to grasp how warm the are until you've spent a bit of time working with them. And yes, she probably did thrash about a bit after she died - it's the firing of nerves. It's both normal and natural. I can't speak to the scars on her body. One would hope there was no abuse, but very sadly, it does happen sometimes. Splattered blood is also simply a sign of her death throes. I am guessing she was shot with a bolt gun, which directly penetrates the brain if used correctly, and does result in the animal bleeding ot of the nose, which does tend to splatter a bit during death troes. I will stop here, although there are many other things that I would like to comment on. Please remember that the folks working in these barns are just ordinary people who, for the most part, (just like anyone else) wouldn't set out to mame or harm any living animal, or subject anyone to cruelty any more than you or I would. I would like to respond to a couple of things said above, based on my 7 years experience in the hog industry. Firstly, yes, sow are kept in individual stalls in most large farms, but this is changing. The idea of larger pens for sows both during gestation as well as during and after farrowning is catching on. But change is always slow. As for the statement about sows with crippling disorders, bedsores, and other horrors, yes there are exceptions where these things occur, but the animal is treated and given every opportunity to heal. In fact the sow normally does heal. The people (and we must remember that these are PEOPLE) who work in these barns are not mindless goons. There is consideratin and thought given to how animals are treated, and looked after, and handles. I know personally of a few situations where someone lost their job at a farm at the first sign that they were mistreating the pigs. The beginning of the article is very true : they are very social, each pig with its own personality and character. As for the description of Finishing barns, clearly the author had a bad experience in a poorly kept facility. A properly ventilated barn that is properly lit, and PROPERLY washed CLEAN between batches of pigs is not filthy or barren or dungeon like. Overcrowding should never be a problem. Proper planning and consideration for the animals were always, in my experience, top priority. Lastly, I would like to comment on the sow described that was found outside in the snow. First of all, melted snow around the corpse of a sow is not a sign that she was still alive. Pig have a LOT more body heat that we humans do, and it takes a while for it to disperse after they are dead. It’s hard to grasp how warm the are until you’ve spent a bit of time working with them. And yes, she probably did thrash about a bit after she died - it’s the firing of nerves. It’s both normal and natural. I can’t speak to the scars on her body. One would hope there was no abuse, but very sadly, it does happen sometimes. Splattered blood is also simply a sign of her death throes. I am guessing she was shot with a bolt gun, which directly penetrates the brain if used correctly, and does result in the animal bleeding ot of the nose, which does tend to splatter a bit during death troes.

I will stop here, although there are many other things that I would like to comment on. Please remember that the folks working in these barns are just ordinary people who, for the most part, (just like anyone else) wouldn’t set out to mame or harm any living animal, or subject anyone to cruelty any more than you or I would.

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